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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.15 00:18:00 -
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Hmm I see a tie in with James315, the New Order bump 'em the Goons gank them. Emergent gameplay at it's finest
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.15 00:39:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
If true here comes the Procuror multi boxers to GALL space that'll makethe 20 box retriever fleets look like sharks in a school of sardines
English translation, people will afk mine ice in multiboxed Procurors.
The truth is that even if they did, they wouldn't fit tanks, they would fit for yield/cargo and would die to a suicide gank, not to mention that the cargo hold is too small to make it actually viable.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.15 00:51:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:So ganking Macks IS possible AND it's able to be done PROFITABLY. Attacking a Mack isn't profitable. What's profitable is buying up all the supplies at the all-time low, and then attacking to force the price upwards ... then sell those stocks.
Standard business practice, buy low then create an artificial shortage so that you can drive the price up.
An example would be a union buying up all the product of say coal mines, and then picketing the coal mines so that no more coal can be mined. While they control the supply, they control the price, OTEC & it's real world counterpart OPEC do similar things.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.15 01:03:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
If true here comes the Procuror multi boxers to GALL space that'll makethe 20 box retriever fleets look like sharks in a school of sardines
English translation, people will afk mine ice in multiboxed Procurors. The truth is that even if they did, they wouldn't fit tanks, they would fit for yield/cargo and would die to a suicide gank, not to mention that the cargo hold is too small to make it actually viable. I seem to recall at least room for 12 ice blocks so with bonuses & a single ice rig you will have to check it every 15 to 20 minutes & it can tank to ~60k eHP. But it may be more worthwihle just to multibox a ton of retrievers @ 20 million apiece
Yes you can tank a Procuror to a decent ehp, but they won't because miners can be extremely lazy. A lot of them still think that yield is better than tank, which is great until they die, then they whine about it.
I mine 'roids, in a tanked barge, go out and shipscan some of the barges at the icebelts, at least 50-75% will have no tank or a minimal one, they're relying on the recent buffs to protect them, they'll also be afk.
If James decides to extend his glorious crusade to help out the GSF, I as a shareholder in The New Order will gladly assist him.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.15 17:05:00 -
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Speaking of untanked barges, there's a thread in New Player Q&A from someone with their first barge, despite attempts to convince him to fit a tank of sorts even if it's just a DCU there is a poster saying that he shouldn't fit a tank at all, I implore some of the GSF posters here to educate the noob and especially the bad poster who is spreading misinformation.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:32:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:
Ofc, the simplest solution to make ganking exhumers profitable. Mine the resources and MAKE the gankmobile. Cost = 0
Pssst.....Don't forget to tank those exhumers tho', there's bad men out there who want to touch you.
Not sure if you're trolling or not, just because you mine your own minerals doesn't make them free, they're worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.16 00:44:00 -
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I shall refer you to the phenomenon known as opportunity cost
The value of the minerals you mine is not only determined by how much someone is willing to pay for them but by what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them.
Tippia or Akita_T can explain it a lot better than I can
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.16 01:11:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:
If they were to apply RL economics, ofc they can. So too could I.
And if I were to do so, I'd tell you to get a job, earn $45 in an hour, buy yourself 3 plex and make 1.8b IN ONE HOUR.
Any RL economic argument that wants to play "VR time as a cost" needs to include an RL equivalent which completely squashes ANY need to even play for isk at all.
>>>>> "what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them"
Exactly what I'm saying.
Ganking should NOT be done nor can it be argued as requiring profit as the motivation. There is no need. Ever.
A job you say? $45 an hour you say? There's these things called economies, with few exceptions they're not in a good state globally. Where I live there are 1500 people going for every job that comes up, and believe me none of them are paying $45 an hour.
In real money terms (to me) $45 an hour is -ú28 an hour, I know very few people who earn even close to that.
I'm a specialist auto electrician by trade, I specialised in fitting optional entertainment systems into cars high end vehicles such as Bentley & Rolls Royce, as well as aftermarket electronics into cars that the average consumer can't fit their own stuff into because of technologies such as CANBUS and MOST, that trade is dead, nobody has the money anymore to purchase the stuff let alone pay for it to be fitted, long gone are the days when people would spend -ú10k on vehicle enhancements. I'm looking for a permanent job, I have paid good money to train new skills, the jobs that are out there have more applicants than they know what to do with. I'm currently doing casual work on building sites to keep a roof over my head and food in my belly, and that work is drying up.
Now talk to me about real life economics.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.16 01:48:00 -
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You're lucky then, Australia is one of the few countries that isn't suffering in the current economic climate.
If I could amass the points required to emigrate I would.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.16 04:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Just pointing out. They still dont tank their ships.
What I heard, they don't need to. CCP did it for them. You heard or read Baltec Zim and Darth too? But seems they can still gank ships. It's good news for them, bad for idiots. We are teaching bad miners the difference between not profitable to gank and ungankable.
You're a charity  , teaching people how to mine responsibly without profiting from the lessons.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.16 05:07:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:
You could, you know, just send 'em an email.
LOL where's the fun in that? Nothing says hello like a tier 3 BC to the face 
Apologies for my little rant earlier BTW, I went off the rails a bit there.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.16 05:52:00 -
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rodyas wrote:^ You should play some dramatic music
I'd be partial to Ride Of The Valkyries, epic piece of music to lay down some gank to.
yeah I ninja edited the quote
Taiwanistan wrote:How do I mine ice without any mining skills trained?
Gun mining sir, explode the containing vessel, steal the ice
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.16 06:36:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:
Question was rhetorical sir.
Also I heard an -A- dude was summarily kicked after he was suicide ganked in hisec while mining, funny eh?
My mistake, 'tis early here & lol
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.16 11:36:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Lord Zim wrote:TharOkha wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Pointing out imbalances is not whining. Crying untill CCP gives you a pre tanked ship that does it all however...
Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked" Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk. Four of those can still be ganked profitably in high sec when max yield fit by a single cat. Oh and they all are max yield fit these days.
Not all, just 99%, the ones that are tanked tend to be owned by people that have always tanked them.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.16 19:03:00 -
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Combat barges are the best barges, <3 that video you're right it's awesome.
I use a Procuror for mining, can get 69k EHP out of it and still pack 100dps worth of drones if you decide to use it for nefarious purposes, plenty of room to fit a scram if you drop a midslot.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.10.17 01:24:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Oh man, 100 dps
for a barge, its respectable, especially a t1 barge
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